president obama's organization said al qaeda inspired terrorist. it's the end product. >> you write in reference to al qaeda - you can't kill an idea. ideas are bulletproof. what is it that the united states can do. what can other moderate muslims do? can there be more organizations like quinn lamb to help in the struggle. >> you hit the nail on the head. if we look at the combination of what happened, al qaeda achieved more since the death of osama bin laden since his lifetime. they controlled territory in yemen, mallie - they never did that during the life-time of osama bin laden. the targeted killings, air strikes haven't achieved what we wand - to do away with the band. we should try to make islamism as unattractive as soviet communism is today. that's an ideas debate. >> it's an incredible book. do. >> thank you for yore time. >> we'll be back with more of >> while you were asleep, news was happening. >> here are the stories we're following. >> find out what happened and what to expect. >> international outrage. >> a day of political posturing